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Doey-Don't — Hedge the Come-Out to Get Straight to Odds

Doey-Don't places Pass and Don't Pass simultaneously to hedge the come-out roll. Costs only when 12 rolls (2.78%). Then load up on Pass Odds. Full guide + 50,000-roll simulation.

2.78%Come-out cost

0%Odds portion

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What Is the Doey-Don't?

The Doey-Don't strategy places both Pass and Don't Pass simultaneously, effectively hedging the come-out roll. Pass and Don't Pass cancel each other on most outcomes — except when 12 rolls (Don't Pass pushes while Pass loses), costing one unit. Once a point is established, you remove the Don't Pass and load the Pass Line with max Free Odds. You're paying a small premium to skip the come-out risk and get straight to Odds betting.

📜 Casino LoreThe Doey-Don't started as a dealer's joke. When a player placed both Pass Line and Don't Pass simultaneously — a mathematically near-neutral combination — dealers would roll their eyes and call it the "Doey-Don't," implying the player couldn't decide which side they were on. The name stuck because the strategy actually has a coherent purpose: cancel the flat bet edge on both sides, then load one side with odds for a near-zero overall house take. In theory it's one of the lowest-edge approaches at the table. In practice, the double bet sizing and come-out exposure (losing the Pass on a 12 push) make it awkward to execute, which is why it remained a curiosity rather than a mainstream strategy.

How It Works

Come-out roll outcomes with both Pass and Don't Pass active:

7 or 11: Pass wins +1, Don't Pass loses -1. Net: 0. Free roll.
2 or 3: Pass loses -1, Don't Pass wins +1. Net: 0. Free roll.
12: Pass loses -1, Don't Pass pushes 0. Net: -1 unit. This is the cost.
Point established: Take down Don't Pass. Back Pass with max Odds.

The 12 rolls only 1 in 36 times (2.78%) — so roughly 97% of come-out rolls are free. You pay about 2.78% of one unit per come-out for the privilege of getting to Odds immediately after every point.

50,000-Roll Simulation

Run the simulation below to see how the Doey-Don't performs across 50,000 dice rolls. Every run uses a fresh random seed — notice how individual sessions vary due to variance, while the long-run trend converges toward the theoretical house edge of 2.78%.

🎲 Doey-Don't Simulator

$10 flat bet · Monte Carlo · 50,000 rolls per run

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Hit Run Once to simulate 50,000 rolls of Doey-Don't betting.

Strategy & Tips

Doey-Don't is a strategy for players who are specifically interested in running large Odds bets and want to minimize come-out variance. The cost (2.78% of a flat unit on the occasional 12) is low, and the reward is a cleaner path to the high-Odds position after every point.

The math: if your Odds are large relative to your flat bet, the come-out phase is a minor component of your total action. Doey-Don't shortens the "risk window" of the come-out while adding only a small cost.

It's also used by players who prefer not to care about come-out outcomes at all — the hedge lets you focus entirely on the point phase.

How It Compares

Bet	House Edge	Payout	Notes
Doey-Don't	2.78%	—	This page
Pass Line + Max Odds	0.37%	Varies	Lowest combined edge
Don't Pass + Lay Odds	0.27%	Varies	Lowest edge overall
Pass Line	1.41%	1:1	Best flat bet
Place 6 or 8	1.52%	7:6	Best place bet
Field Bet	2.78–5.56%	1:1/2:1	High action
Any 7	16.67%	4:1	Avoid

FAQ

Why not just wait for the come-out naturally?

Some players dislike the come-out uncertainty. Doey-Don't makes the come-out almost irrelevant — at the cost of the 12 push edge.

Can I take down Don't Pass before the come-out?

No — once placed, Don't Pass must stay through the come-out roll. The strategy requires surviving the come-out with both bets active.

What happens if I forget to remove Don't Pass?

You'd have opposing bets working through the point phase, which cancel each other out — expensive and pointless. Always remove Don't Pass immediately after the point is set.

Is Doey-Don't on InfiniteCraps?

Yes — it's a preset strategy. Select 'Doey-Don't' from the strategy dropdown for automated play and backtesting.

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